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my friends bet prediction site, be sure to check it out once before placing bets - 2 years ago
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aa - 2 years ago
poorna acc hacked? - 2 years ago
yes - 2 years ago
DansGame - 2 years ago
my friend was using it to play CS:GO - 2 years ago
WTF Poll is that?? D: - 2 years ago
and someone voted NO ffs !!!! - 2 years ago
giff af k inhouse lobby or riot!! - 2 years ago
w8 ill also vote no :D - 2 years ago
Need a room for dota2.. why not make 1.. :) will get some interested players to party together.. - 2 years ago
@cyclops we do have an in game chat channel.. kinda dead though. Working out an in house league. Should be ready to announce within .. - 2 years ago
the next two or three days - 2 years ago
Woohooo - 2 years ago
Came back just in time for this :D - 2 years ago
2nd place? :O - 2 years ago
Time to bring back the giveaways Kappa - 2 years ago
lol.. i have too many immortals to giveaway ^^ - 2 years ago
Gimme :< - 2 years ago
4 days over - 2 years ago
now announce it fast - 2 years ago
^its a known scam dude Kappa - 2 years ago
Taking a while to finalize IHL. Harder than I imagined to get everything rolling >.< - 2 years ago
I can halp! :D and then rig it and become #1 there :D - 2 years ago
ShitQuit Cup HYPE Kreygasm ! - 2 years ago
HYPE HYPE HYPE - 2 years ago
Give round sexy caster ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ - 2 years ago
ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ RAISE YOUR DONGERS!! ᕙ༼ຈل͜ຈ༽ᕗ - 2 years ago
[H] Batman Arkham city and L.A. Noire Complete edition games - 2 years ago
[W] any gold immortal - 2 years ago
or atleast sf arms or mario thunderbolt - 2 years ago
^ NO - 2 years ago
:'( - 2 years ago
get me out of the wall of shame - 2 years ago
OMFG I'M IN WALL OF FAME!!!!! - 2 years ago
DatSheffy - 2 years ago
Well fuck .. over 4k MMR to join IHL :( - 2 years ago
I knw hw u feel bro.. - 2 years ago
btw, invite me for IHL plox.. me 4.3k player :D .. @Ratz1994 : u can take my 300 mmr, im just ok wid 4k ^^ .. - 2 years ago
hey guys if u have any guild add me too plox - 2 years ago
:) - 2 years ago
Sold!! Now I'm 2.8k MMR .. someone vouch for me :D - 2 years ago
THE FORUMS ARE BOOMING WITH VOUCH REQUESTS!!!! And I'm here, behind a laptop, fapp .. I mean writing :v - 2 years ago
Ratz and stick can u vouch for me? - 2 years ago
Giveaway please Kappa - 2 years ago
too many vouch requests , we could even miss some important threads from FORUM TICKER - 2 years ago
wooo - 2 years ago
snookyD and eternity - 2 years ago
congrats - 2 years ago
yaaaaaaaaaaaaay - 2 years ago
elunes win vs nB - 2 years ago
#Elunespride - 2 years ago
betting predictions for ti anyone - 2 years ago
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international is starting today, if are betting and confused on whom to bet on weather it be 1st 10 kills 1st blood 1st tower 1st roashan.. - 2 years ago
u can follow my page and and cross check with my predictions and bet - 2 years ago
https://www.facebook.com/pages/SHanks-Dota2-betting-predictions/1614420855507188 - 2 years ago
got seperate system but net limit exceeded :( - 2 years ago
shit now shaurya and surabhi separate comps :O - 2 years ago
gg - 2 years ago
tht means both can play together - 2 years ago
i am not prepared for this - 2 years ago
shitshitshit - 2 years ago
fokusid - 2 years ago
can finally increase my party mmr(sis plays only suppXD) - 2 years ago
DOUBLE DAMAGE :D - 2 years ago
N ow THIS is a real crapstack - 2 years ago
yusssssssss :D - 2 years ago
I'm still left out of the crap stack :( - 2 years ago
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u - 2 years ago
sid - 2 years ago
Man im gonna downvote every single vouch post.. FokuSid is a better spam than these =.= - 2 years ago
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:O I'm not on the leaderboards - 2 years ago
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so ez huehue - 2 years ago
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happy b'day sid - 2 years ago
happy b'day sid - 2 years ago
ty sir - 2 years ago
wave 30 is a lie:( - 2 years ago
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Worst DuDuDuDu ever -_- - 2 years ago
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100 years since giffway:( - 2 years ago
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Guys , Please check peek #17... - 2 years ago
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i mean in dota2.:) - 2 years ago
There is an AFK Gaming chat channel inside the game but it's kinda dead. Will use it again when I restart the casual stream! - 2 years ago
ok.. :) will be waiting.. as indian servers are back so it wud be fun to play with bhau bandhus - 2 years ago
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my party mmr is rising coz im not in crapstack.. need to donate mmr.. - 2 years ago
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D: I plan on being more active in the forum ... Don't expect Dotes out of me ... I giff Overwatch, CS:GO and Cat Mario advice :D - 1 year ago
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9040672539 call if ever u get this msg which i dont think so is gonna work - 1 year ago
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guys can any one help when is major qualifcation is going to strat - 1 year ago
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@brigadier open quals are from the 6th to 9th of March - 11 months ago
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Was the F0rsaken ban completely justified?

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Gambit - 12 Sep, 2017 Community

Was the F0rsaken ban completely justified?

One esport where cheating, hacking and match fixing have often taken centre stage has been Counter Strike: Global Offensive, a game which till date struggles to deal with hackers in public match-making. The competitive side of CS: GO has often been witness to some unsavoury moments, be it KQLY’s infamous hack usage or iBP’s notorious match fixing scandal. Organizers and Valve themselves have been swift to take action with cases of cheating handing out bans to players and even orgs in some cases. With more and more legitimacy coming into the field of esports, tournament organizers, regulating bodies and even Valve themselves have been pretty clear on the subject. Closer to home, Krish’s VAC ban in 2015 sent shockwaves across the entire community. While he recently was cleared to play for ESL tournaments, Krissh still serves a ban in Valve events.
 
  
Just last month, a new incident came to light when SemperX’s F0rsaken was handed a ban by ESL India who are members of the Esports Integrity Coalition. The incident occurred when a player from a team that had lost to SemperX in the online qualifiers raised an issue via a public post on Facebook. F0rsaken and SemperX were already at the ASUS ROG Masters by then but they were handed a DQ on the first match day. Instead, a substitute team in the form of JMD Gaming were flown in at short notice to take the empty slot. Additionally, F0rsaken was handed a ban by the ESL India team and a public statement was made regarding this matter.
 
 
Let’s analyze the issues leading up to the ban and the exact circumstances surrounding it to have a better understanding.
 
All information within this article has been sourced via conversations with Forsaken directly. AFK Gaming has made the necessary efforts to obtain and verify relevant chatlogs, screenshots and proofs from forsaken before publishing this article. This will supplement your disclaimer at the end of the article.
 
Speak to forsaken once and you’ll realize that his story is just like every other Indian kid who got into gaming except that he is so much better than the rest of us plebs. His foray into gaming started in his college days when he used to play 1.6 with his hostel mates on LAN. Soon enough Global Offensive was launched and even though he was aware of it, he stuck to playing 1.6 with his friends. Gradually he discovered that there was a bigger world out there and with some of his friends playing the game already, he decided to try it out himself. Now, this was back in the day when Steam payments were a mess and for an ordinary engineering college hostelite like Nikhil, it was very hard to get an original copy. As with most people in India who switched to CS: GO, he had to buy an account from a friend to play a game. He started playing the game little by little and it wasn’t long before he realized that he was pretty good. But he was still blissfully unaware of the concept of competitive gaming and it’s lure and just played because he loved Counter Strike. 
 
In 2016, he had to focus on his studies during his last year and he decided to take a break. He felt the pressure, having already spent an extra year in college after a spine injury had taken away the better part of the year. By his final semester, he was playing a good 10 hours a day and realized that his education had to be prioritized. Knowing that staying away from the game would be a hard task, he sold off his account with the hopes that it would help him focus. 

After getting his grades back on track, he decided to start playing again and with access to better internet and a better machine, F0rsaken started playing on SoStronk and eventually caught the attention of a team called Shooting Monkeys. With his help, they put up an impressive run in the COBX Indian Esport Championship where they reached the lower bracket finals, eventually losing out to Team Wolf after F0rsaken’s mouse gave up in the middle of the game. (what followed was comical and heartbreaking ).
 
From there, SM played in the Summer Season of the ESL India Premiership where they qualified for the LAN and F0rsaken managed to bag himself the rookie of the season trophy. In the shuffle that ensued, he moved to SemperX to look for greener pastures. With his new team, he qualified for his first LAN, the ROG Masters South Asia Qualifiers wherein he was handed the ban and barred from playing.
 
   
The main issue here is that an account he used to play on has now been VAC banned. The account he uses right now, the one he has been using since he started playing in tournaments has no VAC of any sort on it. There simply is not enough, if at all any, proof that he has used any sort of hack in a match and unless it’s proven by a competent authority there’s really no use in listening to what any Tom, Dick or Harry has to say or what clips they have from whichever random match that they have taken without any context. 

Now, here’s what the joint statement from ESL India and ESIC says.

 “The issue of whether or not the player cheated to earn the VAC ban is irrelevant. Valve’s and ESL’s rules make it very clear that the owner of the account (which cannot be transferred or sold) is the person to whom the ban applies. Under ESL rules, Forsaken must serve at least 2 years of the ban before being potentially eligible to play in ESL tournaments again”

 
F0rsaken isn’t really the owner of the account since he merely bought it from someone else. Since the transferring of the account is not being recognized here, the VAC ban shouldn’t even apply to him because he isn’t the owner according to the statement.
 

There’s no denying that F0rsaken used the account which was later VAC banned but there is ample proof to show that he has both bought and sold the account, which is where we come to our next point. 

According to the statement, “The player alleges that he sold the account some time ago and was not the person cheating. In fact, we find this explanation to be irrelevant as it is a clear breach of both Valve’s terms of service and ESL’s rules to sell or otherwise transfer or allow someone else to play on a steam account and that whatever anyone does on a steam account is the responsibility of the account owner – in this case, Forsaken. Even if no-one had cheated and earned a VAC ban, had Valve known about the sale of the account, Forsaken would have been banned.”

 
No one at AFK endorses buying or selling of Steam accounts, but let’s be real here if we were to make a list of people who had bought or sold an account and then banned them all, many Indian players would have to come under scrutiny. While it is not our intention to get anyone else banned, it also is unfair on f0rsaken that a particular rule gets enforced on him alone.
 

Another important point to focus on is the circumstances which led to this incident. We start with this post for Team IYATI.
 
 
Now in most cases, a competent authority gets to ascertain whether the player in question has violated the rules or not and then the community gets to pass their judgement. In F0rsaken's case, the complete opposite seems to have happened. First and foremost, members of Team IYATI are in no position to decide "fishy" plays and they have no authority to do so. And finally, this image that they create of trying to "keep the community clean" is pretty superficial. Sharing personal screenshots of chats without taking prior permission is a very immature and cannot be encouraged. 
 
So to summarise the article, here's what we make of it:
  • The issue is not whether Forsaken hacked in a competitive match or not. There is no proof for this and only the word of a reliable, competent authority matter, which atm is not there.
  • F0rsaken admits to having owned an account which he initially bought and then sold off. This account has 2 VAC bans on record and he claims that both happened after he transferred it to his seller. The proofs for both buying, selling and transferring the registered email id's of the account is in the links below.
  • When it comes to the issue of banning a player because he engaged in account trading, the rule then has to apply to all players who are playing in tournaments and has to be enforced impartially to everyone.
Screenshots of chatlogs with proofs to buying/selling account
Screenshots of mail received when registered email id was changed

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